[KnockoutNed]

I don't know I anyone thinks this is cheating, but does anyone use a small marker in the centre of their screen to help aim with larger crosshairs, or in hardcore servers?

I've always used a small bit of blue tac, and I'm thinking of making some small aiming assists to do this job. Is this frowned upon?

Obviously if this was implemented using software it would be seen as cheating. Interesting to hear some views on using physical markers on the screen!

Cheers,

Ned

[EvilEddy]

Don't use anything of the kind, not physical nor software. Part of the challenge of the game is learning to aim using judgement. If I wanted aim assists, I'd play something else.

[movedgoalposts]

One of our guys uses something called "woolmod" in other words a cross hair on his screen made from strings of wool tied across it. It makes sense to him, but then he is also legally registered as partially sighted. You don't want to get on the end of his rocket launchers as any hint of moment on the screen ahd his lightening reactions mean its bye bye for you, but then he can't deal with campers as they have no movement. But wool mod is a special need circumstance. I don't beleive any normal player should need such a device, even though it isn't a software hack and so it isn't against the rules.

Remember we can all have different permutations of computer, graphics, monitor, keyboard, etc. What you stick on those and how you set them up is the gamer's preference.

[Sgt.Trojan]

LOL I am with Klompers on this one. Your gun is less accurate when you are not scoped in anyway. People used to do it with a permie marker on CS to scout unscoped. It's a loose form of cheating but I don't think I would ban someone for declaring it.

[EvilEddy]

As the saying goes, in the end you only cheat yourself.

[KnockoutNed]

My mate used to do it on CS:S with blue tac unscoped with a scout, even though after a while you get used to where the centre is, there's always that period where you're getting back into a game, and I must say it did help a lot for me during this phase.

I agree Trojan they are less accurate when unscoped, this is why I didn't really feel like I was cheating. In some games I simply just don't like the crosshair, like when they have triangles as crosshairs, so I'd maybe use them for this purpose! I understand better players tend to be more against these kind of aids, but maybe as a training tool they can be considered quite useful?

I'm thinking of printing some off at work, we have some clear cling on labels which are an inch or so wide, would be perfect for this sort of thing. Hopefully I won't get a fierce backlash for asking this, but would anyone want me to send them over a few of them (for free of course) so you can let me know if they are of any use, or if you think maybe they might be useful for new players? If so PM me your details. I'm keen to experiment anyway as we have a new Xerox printer and these labels are lying around unused!

[RaWClan]

KnockoutNed, on 01 August 2010 - 06:20 PM, said:

My mate used to do it on CS:S with blue tac unscoped with a scout, even though after a while you get used to where the centre is, there's always that period where you're getting back into a game, and I must say it did help a lot for me during this phase.

I agree Trojan they are less accurate when unscoped, this is why I didn't really feel like I was cheating. In some games I simply just don't like the crosshair, like when they have triangles as crosshairs, so I'd maybe use them for this purpose! I understand better players tend to be more against these kind of aids, but maybe as a training tool they can be considered quite useful?

I'm thinking of printing some off at work, we have some clear cling on labels which are an inch or so wide, would be perfect for this sort of thing. Hopefully I won't get a fierce backlash for asking this, but would anyone want me to send them over a few of them (for free of course) so you can let me know if they are of any use, or if you think maybe they might be useful for new players? If so PM me your details. I'm keen to experiment anyway as we have a new Xerox printer and these labels are lying around unused!

As a PBBans admin, the owner of a certified cheat free multi gaming community and personlly a real hater of any kind of cheats/hacks or gaming assists I would say what you are virtually 'advertising' in here is a method for cheating (Giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players) If someone admited using this method in one of my servers they would be banned same would even go for a clan member. We take our Cheat Free status seriously and would consider this as 100% a cheat.
Why you would come on here to a clan owners/server owners community forum flaunting this is beyond me... I would quit now!
Most multi hacks include a digital crosshair that overlays ontop of the game screen to make hardcore gaming easier... how is this any different?
Seriously if you cant manage to play Hardcore game modes well then dont play them!!

This post has been edited by RaWClan: 01 August 2010 - 09:59 PM

[KnockoutNed]

Hi RaWClan, I fully respect your view and was aware that I might get a reply like this, but I do appreciate it.

Before starting this thread I was unaware how the rest of the community feels towards these kind of 'aiming assisits', and I appreciate hearing different opinions, after all, this is the kind of provocative question that needs to happen on forums like this more often!

I do feel a bit disappointed you feel I'm advertising cheating, I don't feel you've fully read the other members' replies. If you read Trojan's reply about guns being less accurate when unscoped would you still feel this was an unfair advantage? If you're talking about buying a better gaming mouse, is that 'advertising' an unfair advantage? Or do you only deem a mouse fair because it's a standard accessory for your desk?

If you're beyond yourself imagining why I'd come onto a discussion forum to encourage a lively debate, then I believe it's yourself that maybe needs to take a step back and maybe think of the benefits to this community which arise from sharing their opinions on topics like this.

This post has been edited by KnockoutNed: 01 August 2010 - 10:57 PM

[RaWClan]

KnockoutNed, on 01 August 2010 - 10:55 PM, said:

I do feel a bit disappointed you feel I'm advertising cheating, I don't feel you've fully read the other members' replies. If you read Trojan's reply about guns being less accurate when unscoped would you still feel this was an unfair advantage?

You were asking if anyone wanted you to Send them your Stick on Crosshair... Thats advertising, even if your offering for free.
With regards to acuracy then yes some games it would make very little difference but some games like CoD4 for example I know that crosshair's on HC mode make a huge difference as targeting is much faster. On BFBC2 maybe not so much. The Big advantage would be with LMG's and Assult Rifles as apposed to sniper rifles and single shot weapons.

KnockoutNed, on 01 August 2010 - 10:55 PM, said:

If you're talking about buying a better gaming mouse, is that 'advertising' an unfair advantage? Or do you only deem a mouse fair because it's a standard accessory for your desk?

At the end of the day you can own all the best gaming hardware and accesories like gaming mice, keyboards etc but it comes down much more to the skill of the player. Adding a crosshair on a game mode where it has been removed to make the game tougher for the more battle hardened players is without a doupt giving the person using your stick on crosshiar a MASSIVE unfair advantage over the other players in that server who ALL do not have the crosshair.

You have your right to your opinion. Im just stating mine that I do consider it a cheat and would act on ppl who used it in my servers in the same way I would a person who I screen shotted a digital crosshair from. Thats just me tho. Like I say you and every one else are entitled to your opinions. I would just advise against flaunting a potential cheating aid (which lets be honest it is) in a forum where the majority of posters spend a huge amount of time and effort in keeping thier servers a fair play enviroment and offering to send it to people who want it I just see as a little more than provocative... How is it different then linking a digital overlay version that would be detected by PB?

Any way I dont want an argument, I'm just putting my point out there.

[KnockoutNed]

Ok, I understand your point about advertising. Sorry, that wasn't what I intended to do.

I definitely agree, on hardcore servers I would class it as cheating. I guess the only difference between this and a hardcore overlay is the fact that a digital one is more like modifying the game. It's a tricky one, and I can't really think of a similar scenario to compare this to. I do think that in hardcore servers the better players almost have this crosshair in their mind due to practice, and would opt against having one on the grounds that it wouldn't help them technically. If some new kid comes on the block with a crosshair, like VanKlomp says they're only cheating themselves, as they are just cutting out the weeks of hard work it takes to realise in a split-second where the centre of the screen in mid-gunfight. It's natural for the majority of players to consider this unfair, so I do agree with you there!

[KC-Justin]

I don't think anyone can honestly dispute circumventing large xhairs, visible recoil, zoom or no xhairs with a bit of blu tack, is in the spirit of the game. It's clearly cheating but unenforceable - so not much point worrying about.